Wednesday, April 04, 2007

EXAMINING WHAT IS SUPPORTED BY WHOM by Murph

I have been up to my neck in meetings and a questionable public service duty (Grand Jury duty) for two weeks now; and have two more weeks of it, and have spent precious little time researching what I wanted for my next post. On top of all of these time consuming activities, I have an innumerable amount of home project that either need to be finished or started. However, I feel a real need to revisit some points that I think are really important.

This site has a fairly strong leaning toward a more liberal political ideology. I know that most of the steady readers at this site have little or no respect for the neocon politics. I suspect that most voted for all democratic hopefuls in the last election, and with predictability, they got a majority in the house and senate. I further suspect that most of this voting was a denunciation of the neocon agenda, and not necessarily in support of the democratic rhetoric. I predicted before the election that no real changes would occur, and so far, that has turned out to be true. It is true that the democratic majority is addressing some important issues. However, when you make a list of all that needs to be addressed and what has to be done to reverse the damage to this society that Bush and crew has done, it is an overwhelming job. What I fear from that front is more failing social programs from the liberals that cost lots of bucks. What the future holds is open to question.

It appears to me that few people are willing to take a hard look at just what is happening up on the hill. I further suspect that few are willing to put in the time to examine what the neocon and general conservative supporters are saying about what is happening. So I took a couple of hours and wandered through a bunch of the more conservative sites (there are several hundred at least) to see what their take was on the present shenanigans on capital hill. I went through 22 sites and here is a list of some of the current subjects being written about.

  1. Nancy Pelosi wearing a scarf when she visited a mosque in the mid east and how stupid and demeaning it was. Talk about BS politics. 2 sites went off on this one.
  2. The now democratic control of the House Armed Service Committee is eliminating the wording of “global war on terror” because the dems don’t like the term. The neocons think this is bad bad bad. Diverts our attention from the war on terror and is more political correctness pushed out by the dems.
  3. McCain has a new spot on his head and may indicate a return of melanoma.
  4. A new movie put out by HBO on voter recount is feared because it won’t be balanced and fair because it is supported and put out by democrats.
  5. The Mike Pence (R, Indiana) made a tour of the Shorja market in Bagdad and his statements concerning progress of the surge and how safe the area is. No mention of the snipers and helicopters all over the place and the fact that all the shops close down well before dark. Lol, safe indeed.
  6. Article about Bush ripping into politicians over the war funding.
  7. One site spent considerable space attacking the 9-11 conspiracy theories with great vigor. Of course, the site was not into answering any of the questions around the event.
  8. The site titled “Atlas Shrugs” (from the Ayn Rand) soundly slams everything the Muslims have to say about anything that opposes American policy.
  9. One Conservative site took on Ann Coulter for her “raghead” and “faggot” remarks. Said this was entirely inappropriate. At least I can agree with that one.

Frankly, at this point I quit searching around. There were a bunch of other sites I went to that didn’t have anything significant to say about anything that I could find. Mostly just blather and bla bla bla. So, it appears that the conservative sites are bogged down in nonsense issues as well as the more liberal sites.

So then I started to dig around into what the dems are pushing for in bills. Now this really gets interesting. Take a look at this site listing of the spending bills the dems are pushing.
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/03/27/the-democrat-bill-to-embolden/

What ya think about this information? Let’s see, 24 million for funding new sugar beets? I had no idea we needed that. 3 million to a single co-op in Hawaii for sugar cane? The next one on the list is interesting. 20 million for insect infestation damage in Nevada. Ever been to Nevada? There isn’t enough farm land to hardly count in that state. Looks like the moon at high noon. Some of the stuff on this list looks viable but a bunch sure looks like pork barrel to me.

On top of that, I see almost nothing anywhere pointing out that Polosi and her compatriots are pushing for a new gun ban law. They want to bring back the Clinton gun bans and greatly expand it. Were coming back into the era of: “---my cold dead fingers” again. What is interesting about the reintroduction of this kind of legislation is that when looking at the statistics around the issue, there is no reason to even consider it for any reason other than to polarize dems and repugs. It didn’t work then and won’t work now. It is another example of taking a failed policy and trying it over and over again and expecting a different result. Pure insanity. Not to mention the cost of enforcing it. Somewhat similar is the policy of “war on drugs” that doesn’t work, cannot work, and drains huge amounts of money that could be used for other things. Aw well, it at least keeps the private prisons making a profit.

Now I will admit that I frequent the more liberal sites most of the time, except when I want to induce a head ache of a stomach ache. It’s my more masochistic side I guess. Today I have both.

Let’s take a look at what some of the more popular liberal sites are talking about.

Almost all of them concentrate on bashing the current administration and its policies and agendas. Some get into the more abstract view concerning general population trends, thinking and problems. A lot of them are presenting ‘surges’ in new age thinking, religious concepts and solutions.

I find it distressing that few are making any examination of causality as an overview of the present state of affairs without getting into religion and philosophy. Not all, but much of what I read impresses me as prayers for intervention by deities, general consciousness changes and just another form of denial.

Only one columnist that I have read gets down to the basic causes:-that is us, all of us. Joe Bageant at least is willing to admit complicity and what he is doing about it. But few of the other liberal sites want to deal with this, it seems. It sure looks to me that in the end analysis, the bottom line, we as a society, have brought on this calamitous situation. We have no one else to blame for those we gave power to and their exercising it. There is no one else to blame for our materialism, our dependence on rapidly diminishing resources, the cruelty and killing that is dominating the world at this time. We have gotten exactly what we voted for as a society for the last 200 years. That we try to claim ignorance of the consequences is a weak and stupid defense. We were warned, over and over again of the consequences of the type of thinking and actions that would lead to what we have going on today. Claiming that those that came before us are responsible and that we aren’t responsible because we weren’t born yet, is not a justification for what has been done at the voting booth in the last 50 years. I fear that the only remedy for this is going to be a world wide calamity. When enough stupid decisions take place, the bill will be paid sometime, and there is strong evidence that the bill has come due.

A good friend has repeatedly reminded me that “humans will be as bad as they are allowed to be” without the extrapolation that “humans will be as good as they are allowed to be” as a counter argument. If we can assume that at least at some time in the past, humans were as good as they were allowed, where did it start to swing the other way? There are tentative explanations all over the place, not expressed in that context of course, but nevertheless being concerned with where we went wrong. We can argue all day long over these concepts, but it does little to solve the problem. Nor does it excuse our personal excesses for most of our lives and our contribution to today’s problems.

So to appease the folks that say that if you are going to criticize something, offer a solution, here is mine. The gross and horrible problems we have generated have no political solution. We do have solutions on an individual basis, but politically it is not going to happen. We have allowed the 10 ton shark into the arena and you aren’t going to convince him to leave nor is a consensus that he aught to leave going to work. Most of his friends are there with him and there aren’t enough harpoons in the audience to end it. Sorry I can’t be more positive. Maybe I’m just too pessimistic for my own good.

So Palooka, denial is a big problem. We simply do not want to deal with the reality of our situation as a society on any level. It will bite us on the ass.

27 Comments:

At 10:33 PM, Blogger murph & freeacre said...

Good synopsis, My Dear, and yet I feel a bit more hopeful. Maybe it's the movement into Spring,or the shifting of the planets (April newsletter out from www.billherbst.com), but something good is going on. With the exemplary treatment and release of the British hostages in Iran today, I think a kink has been put into the plan to attack Iran. I think that if The Moron called for another war this weekend, the Secret Service would come running in with syringes of thorazine (like they did to Martha Mitchell back in the day) and put him in a rubber room. Let's hope that our soldiers on the aircraft carriers in the Gulf can just spend time coloring eggs for Easter.
John Edwards has put a call out for people to sign a petition to encourage Democrats to stand firm against the war and to bring the troops home. If Bush vetoes the bill, just send it back and keep sending it back with no changes. This could be a dogfight. I am encouraged. It doesn't happen that often, so when it does, I might as well enjoy it.
My Sufi friend explained to me that wearing a scarf is a sign of respect for her own spiritual nature. I see nothing wrong with Pelosi honoring that tradition in Syria while demonstrating personal and political strength in practicing diplomacy in the face of opposition by Bush and Darth.
It sure beats the vulgarity of the bimbos in the news for a change.

 
At 10:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seen a bottle of Valium shot up lately? How about an ounce of Pot,decapitated? Any rocks of crack-cocaine.dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge?

No? Didn't think so.

The war on Drugs is bogus.Declaring war on inanimate objects should seem stupid to most people with more than three neurons firing,but that's America for you.

All the government has to do is scare people bad enough,and they will vote to declare war on a grapefruit;piss their pants, wave the flag and we are off and running again,spending billions of our hard earned bucks bulldozing fields of grapefruit trees. Note; The people who are doing the bulldozing will be working for no-bid contractors,

I realize that Cannabis is not the same thing as grapefruit,but the War on drugs is, nevertheless,stupid,if your real purpose is keeping kids off drugs long enough for their nervouis systems to fully form.As a matter of fact,criminalizing drugs assured us that our kids would be using drugs for generations to come.

The simple fact of the matter is that drugs are not going away. Not Ever!

There are many reasons why that is true. I won't go into all of them, but one is very simple.Mankind has always sought alternative states of consciousness and always will.A healthy society will find a way to accommodate that need or it will spend more money on prisons than it will on the basic necessities of life with dignity,which is what we are currently doing.

What we really need to do is stop declaring freakin' war on everything of which the majority disapproves or everything that frightens us.

Now,in addition to the war on inanimate objects,we have a war on an extreme emotional state;the War on "Turr." That war, too, is bogus.

The Bushites even tried to connect the two, for simplicity sake,I assume.At least, the idiotic idea that pot heads were big Al Qaeda supporters fell through the floorboards,hopefully. But one can never tell, can one? We thought that TIA had gone away too, when we found it had only moved from the Pentagon to the NSA.

Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty.That really worked out well,eh.? Give Reagan two years in the White House and there were more whole families living in their cars and on the streets than anyone had seen since the Great Depression.

Any presidential candidate who can find other ways of dealing with anything, other than declaring war on it or criminalizing it, i will vote for.Of course, that vote may or may not count because no one has declared war on paperless voting machines or election stealing.

Life in America is so grim, that the status of drugs is assured, legal or otherwise.
Just ask Nicole Bush.
Fred

 
At 1:20 PM, Blogger stoney13 said...

Now that I'm sure this turd is working!

Murph,

Great post! I just heard about the new anti-gun legislation, and I'm fighting it with all then tools at my disposal! It's time for ALL gun owners to come out against this! Not just the ones that happen to own the firearms on the list!

Fred,

I'm on your side! I'm sure there were plenty of criminals that could have been using the prison bed I was in in 1984 for the heinous deed of sale and delivery of 2 grams of hash!!

 
At 10:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ya murph. we think denying these realities is the way to keep them at bay or away. but the chilling irony is that the denial itself is what comes back 'round to bite us in the ass. THAT is the reality of the dynamics of denial.

and as long as we keep denying free will, freedom, in ANY form manifest on earth, is anamatha! and things will only get worse!! ...p

 
At 10:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

P,good to hear from you, Denial,what a bitch that is aeah?
Is probably the most insidious thing going, it takes every form imaginable i expect,i see no alternative other then...
what?
What exactly is the problem with humans? i think we have been over this a few times and the answer always comes up the same, it is not denial first,it is something else that is first don't you think so?
It seems that denial is the offspring of something much deeper and much more unattractive then denial.Hell denial might just be a walz in the dark in comparison.
So what is this awful thing that we are so terrified of anyway,? is it death?
The fear of death is really a large can of worms, would you not agree?
These questions romp around in my brain from time to time and i like to talk about them because i can't be frivolous 24/7 even though i give it a good run for naught.
We all die, thats a given i expect,but when i say we...what do i actually mean,what exactly is a We.?
Besides a pronoun of sorts,?
That wise person indicated that if there are two or more gathered together, thats two We, right.?
So each of us is a We,and the make up of a We is fairly simple,... We think that is the case in point.
The brain filled with every conceivable thought form is the WE He said.
No thought form, no We.
No you, no me,no them,no he,no she, no them,oops already said that,no they,no I,..pretty weird even. standing in a room in which there is no one there, even though people are standing around making up nice and not so nice things to say to each other.
Crazy stuff,but makes sense to me, now thats scary,to be or not to be, well fuck that i'll take to be, just to be, not to be anything or anybody,brain sizzles to that tune and man it feels good.frees up a lot of hard drive and makes for quicker connections with the Easter Bunny.

Stoney i wish i could share some of this stuff with you,its right off the top shelf.

A friend of mine of whom i spent the day with in the wilderness area of this reservation is laying on my bed and discovered a tick crawling on her body and asked me to flush it down the toilet and i said ok, but on the way to the toilet i had a conversation with said tick and asked if it could swim and it said no.so i said how about the front yard and it said ok, so problem solved and everyone is happy, also ticks are distant relatives of my Cricket family and i would have to answer to about 7or8 hundred of those little mother fuckers of whom i adore for their sleep inducing qualities.And will soon set them free into the village.

Enough blither for now, hope all of you are having a swell time of it and are ready for the coming wake up party. Its bound to be a doozy.

With much love and admiration to all of you that attend this sacred council fire.

mf

 
At 5:09 AM, Blogger murph & freeacre said...

God, it's good to hear from you, Montana. :)

 
At 9:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It appears the Russians were wrong. We didn't make a major campaign to bomb Iran on Friday after all. Geez, who can we trust to give us the straight poop. I was sure the Russians wouldn't lie to us about this. sigh.

Montana,

Yup, death it seems is rather inevitable. People have been examining this fear of death for most of recorded history. We don't seem to have much in solid answers yet.

I wonder if the concept of 'I' is possible in a hive colony? Many writers have compared high density human living to insect hives. We brag about our individualism and self determinism but do we actually have it? Is the term 'I' even applicable to most of human life? Would happiness and self satisfaction be possible in a hive type of living? Ooops, two more terms that would have to be defined, happiness and self satisfaction, to make it meaningfull.

The concept of 'I' revolves around self actualization. You know, the "I think, therefore I am" famous quote. Politically it is supposed to be embodied in the idea of Democracy. Socialism is the concern for all the other members of a group instead of just 'I'. Does that mean that socialism is closer to a hive mentality?

If we want to emphasize the 'I' in human living and organization, what system is most conducive to it? Is our present society more concerned with 'I' or with 'we'.

 
At 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an article on C. Bakers site
http://www.carolynbaker.org/
that is excellent, called "An Unearthin; An Awakening Has Arrived" that is a long read, but an excellent and well done explanation of 9-11 and it's consequences.

 
At 12:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A good friend has repeatedly reminded me that “humans will be as bad as they are allowed to be” without the extrapolation that “humans will be as good as they are allowed to be” as a counter argument. If we can assume that at least at some time in the past, humans were as good as they were allowed, where did it start to swing the other way?

Who is doing the allowing? We're all just people here, how does one individual come by the authority to allow one behavior or another in someone else? If you assume that there's always a gun pointed at you, does it matter at all what you are being allowed to do? Apropos: The Myth of the Golden Gun.

Instead of bickering and/or lamenting about how the gun is being used, why not focus on getting the gun out of your face?

naturalethic

 
At 12:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Direct link to the above mentioned article. Pretty good synopsis of the brewing zeitgeist of the underground.

THE UNEARTHING: An Awakening Has Arrived, By Manuel Valenzuela

naturalethic

 
At 1:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

naturalethic,

I very much agree with the statement;

"Instead of bickering and/or lamenting about how the gun is being used, why not focus on getting the gun out of your face?"

The problem I see with your assertion is no recognition of the power of social pressure, peer pressure and those with the power to enforce behavior of any sort with the gun or threat of incarceration. That power, whether by a group or individual, is power that is given to them, and we do that all the time at the polling place.

But, even more to the point, this is a psychological argument. If you take the view that people are hard wired to do bad things, and will do so unless not allowed to, is the first assertion. Believe it or not, there is some hard data that supports that point of view. Sort of a "LOrd Of The Flies" type of argument. I think it boils down to how you prefer to view human behavior and what drives it. Are we born sinners or not kind of thing? Or, are we born with a clean slate and taught how we shall live? Are we hard wired or not in our responses to our environment? Those questions have never been answered absolutely for 5000 years now.

 
At 4:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

murph,

The path of study I've taken toward understanding the questions you've raised is in the Austrian School. I'm not nearly well-read enough to fully understand the arguments regarding the foundation of private ownership, but it smells right. The principle of non-violence is kernel to my philosophy. And, in accordance with the teaching of the Tao, there is no universal explanation for anything.

Are not all explanations transient and contextual? What is the essence of life but change? I don't really want to get deep right now, so instead I'll share a story about last Friday night.

A friend of mine and myself were standing outside a bar near my home. A man, obviously a marine from the tell-tale haircut they all have, was there and I asked him if he'd been to Iraq. While I was not being at all aggressive, strictly conversational, he got this crazed look in his eyes. He immediately accused me of thinking all marines were 'baby killers and women rapers'. He then started threatening my friend and myself, and then asked me what I'd think if he were to go into a Denny's and kill 40 people. All this came out so fast it scared my friend off, a couple minutes later I get a text message from him warning me to get away from this guy. So after about 5 minutes I left too.

My brother has also had a recent interaction with one of these guys. Not as crazy, but he had potential.

The reason I bring it up is because you raised the question of the nature of man. I would have been risking my life to find the cause of this guys problem, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't like that when he went overseas. I'm sure many of you have seen some of the stuff going on over there, the sickness that is pervading the military. These guys are losing the limited foundation they had. It seems, that certain acts, when committed, make redemption difficult. If the nature of life in the environment of that war make atrocious acts necessary or profitable, upon return to civilization, these guys are going to be lost, they are lost.

I'm sure there's a library of books written on the psychology of war veterans. I haven't read any, but I've got Storms of Steel in the wings.

Sorry for the diatribe of platitudinous drivel!

naturalethic

 
At 5:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

naturalethic,

One of my problems in a conversation on subjects like this is that I am a long way from being a pacifist. I have been confronted with way too many people in my lifetime that do not understand "no".

The Austrian School is a combination of psychology and economics stessing individual private ownership of property. If you look at the proponents of this concept and all of its ramifications, you will notice that most of them are elites, they already have money and property. That is one of the problems with our constitution, it was written mostly by elites with property and they sure wanted to preserve that. Now I am not an advocate of the political communism system, that is, state ownership of just about everything. It has way too many faults also.

I agree that life is change. Not so sure all explanations are transient and contextual. Can't verify or deny that. Hard for me to imagine there being no universal truths, but, could be. I do have some problems in belief systems that cannot be verified in some manner.

If we sat down and started a list of what we thought was true, I am sure there are those that would question such a list, or at least items on it. Most surely it appears that there is little if any commonality of perceptions about much of anything.

So what does this lead to? The fault system of Austrian economics. It has only transitory benifits and most of the benifits go to a few, not the many. My data for this is historical. Ownership is always shifted to the most powerful. That is what we have happening today in the extreme. Personally, and probably since I am not at the top of the heap in ownership, I don't like it. Historically, it is the basis for the rise and fall of empires. There has to be a better way.

Take a look at the way indiginous people in most countries look at ownership. Does it work better? If not, why? Upon casual observation, you might notice that as you go down the ladder of societies in emphasis on ownership, you find much more leisure time and a lot less conflict. I would then conclude that ownership is a cause of strife.

What ya think?

 
At 8:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is not denial first,it is something else that is first don't you think so?


nope... p

 
At 11:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

P,
I do not dispute the role of denial. Whether itis first cause I think is open to debate. Ihave reservations on that.

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay.... whats your idea of original causality? if its not denial then what is causal to denial?

i think you know where i'm at on this. but to be clear i suggest denial is the original causal factor to unlovingness and all denial is ultimately a denial of self in some form. it can be extreemly hard to see the role its playing for a myriad of reasons such as form change and massive guilt in love's place. but that is what is at the core of the human condition and is the origins of evil as well. it originated in the earliest formations of the godhead and rolled out from there down through the progression of creations.

if we cannot identify our own role in it we cannot change it for ourselves on the micro or collectively on the macro and move along in true evolution. we're just pawns in a game. a sinister game at that. it means its up to something or someone else. thats one side the other side of which is we're, therefore, not really responsible for a damn thing then are we? which is EXACTLY the way alot of us want it despite our pretensious whinning about all the injustice being carried out against life and love.

further, power, true power, power that comes from true balance and understanding does not overide another or it wouldn't be in true balance and undertanding. denial of personal power, among other things, empowers something or someone else to then hold and use the denied power to overpower the denier.

if an individual possessed this true power someone else would likely not pull a gun on them. if they did they could tell the gunman to go away or could invite them to sit down and have a beer and a chat to see if they might have some desire to come inside of love if that felt right to that individual. to which the gunman would either go away or come along. which is to say that is the answer to naturalethic's first 2 questions.... "Who is doing the allowing?" and "We're all just people here, how does one individual come by the authority to allow one behavior or another in someone else?"

so i agree with n... the focus should be on the self. and, for me, that includes an acceptance and acknowledgement that god is the source of loving light and without it, i'm outside of its grace and outside of sustainable life and true love!!

i disagree with the orthodox interpretation of non-violence though as it is typically accompanied by denial of what many refer to as the negative, or dark side, or evil and some in the metaphysical circles refer to as the gap. this denial is exactly what ultimately killed mlk. and, since many just "celebrated" easter yesterday, i will say it is what killed jesus too.

 
At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, we are talking about human behavior, its original cause?
From watching the animals around us?
We came from animal with a set of automatic responses just to survive, same as all the other animals.The DNA curve has traveled how much? How much different are we from a single cell?
The collective conscious is one cell with many facets, it seems to me.
The animal makeup is fairly clear, the psychological makeup is a little murkier, but still readable if one has the intention,and therein lies all the good and evil in abundance for us to party with,and get down with, either killing or loving or a smattering of both.
My "choice" is no choice at all, it is merely the reactive process to a brain that is conditioned to respond either out of fear or out of love, which are both based on fear ultimately, so from there i would seek to uncover the workings of the human brain and forget about its make believe workings from some book.
That state of awareness in which there is no judgement in regard to anything and everything is arduous,and is not something one can learn from a book or teacher or any other supposed method.Or "way."
It comes about as a result of the minds ability to realize that its make up is .........what is.
Makes my eyebrows try to grow together.
This is not simple,and it is simple,it just depends upon how one looks at it.
To see one has to look, thats the simple part, to look without prejudging is pure and to see the truth in the false and the false in the truth is the beginning of wisdom,is this true?

The beginning of mans ability to formulate thought is the beginning of what we have now, no different, just more of it.

Kind of sad that in all these eons we are no closer to human kindness then ever before, even less it seems. Sure there are a few of us that have been selected to go beyond the limitations of the mind, if not 24/7, a crack in the timelessness of reality in which we get a glimpse of something Sacred and the absolute beauty of it all. And know without a doubt that that is where our struggle has led us, ..into ...no words for this.

We were born in darkness, we walk in the light, brothers and sisters.

We are one in the Light and one in the Spirit.

Denial is part of that which we have left behind and is no more.
We are innocent.

aho
mf

 
At 8:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

murph,

Hey great response. I wish I knew the Austrian stuff better so I could discuss it intelligently. But then, I wish I could spend a year in a pre-colonial Cherokee village. My thoughts on this topic resonate between my mental constructions of these two cultures. My only real knowledge comes from experience, and I always feel like I have way too little of that. I've been living in a city so long that my mind is a bit brittle when it comes to human interactions. I see some people thrive here, but I lived in the woods for the first 5 or 6 years of my life, and I think my nature resists the niceties of civic living. I need to move to the country.

Not quite a response to you, but I wanted to acknowledge your thoughtful comments.

naturalethic

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

naturalethic,

Yup, that city living will do it to you. I've been a country or small town boy most of my life. Everytime I poke my nose into anything larger than 10,000 people I can't wait to leave, and the bigger the population the stronger the emperative to get out. I spent some years living in urban centers, going to the university on 3 seperate occassions. Had a business in a city, and worked a few years in cities. The older I've gotten, the less tolarant of city life I've become. I've been told I might go to hell for that attitude. lol.

If you have a bit of time, dig what Wikapedia has to say on Austrian system. Not a bad summary.

 
At 9:24 AM, Blogger RAS said...

As someone who comes from a neocon family, and lives in a predominantly neocon state (Alabama, and yes, I am planning my escape) I usually don't have to look at their sites or Fox News to see what they're saying -I either know intuitively or I get an earful from my neighbors. (the ones who aren't terrified of me for being a pagan, that is) ;-)

I think that there is more going on here than just plain denial. There is definitely also a part of it that has to do with the psychology of previous investment. If you're unfamiliar with the term, basically it has to do with the natural reluctance of someone to give up on a thing or path once they've invested a significant amount of time and resources into it.

There is also a fair bit of manipulation and programming going on as well. We were discussing this in class last night. Specifically, how certain things in our culture are designed for the purpose of programming people to think a certain way and thereby help to reproduce the culture and maintain the status quo. The specific example we discussed was about how gangsta rap is a tool of used to reinforce the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. If that sounds deep, it is.

Sorry I haven't been on here in a while -I've been working on term papers. Gaahhh! Only three weeks left to the end of the term.

 
At 7:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was going through previous comments from start of this blog trying to find our when and how i came to find this place of excellence, and got dizzy and had to take time out, however its amazing the turns and twists that have taken place over the months and months that this council has gone to and from.
Cyclone has created a place of sanity within this speck of decency,in an otherwise dark side of human nature.
Thank you Cyclone, i have said it before but after reading the beginning posts on your blog it is even more clear how much the voices that choose to rest here and accept the talking stick and give their hearts to this fire are truly blessed.
Each and every one that comes here including the very lost are a welcome addition to the human family, thanks to the compassion of the regular contributors.
The freedom to express that which might be unappreciated else where is noticeably absent in this place, and for that i thank all of you that have open hearts and open minds to include each one that appears here.

From one or two or three comments when this posting began it has attracted dozens and dozens of comments from brothers and sisters whom i suppose still check in now and then even though leaving an expression might seem unnecessary.

Well its getting daylight and the day is filled with promise of spring time things that are ready to be instituted, yep, i read a book yesterday and that word was in it.
The Crickets are in their new heated home and are waiting for the nights to be warm enough for their release onto the green earth mother.
Blossoms are on the fruit trees and spring smells so good right now, its really hard to think of the darkness that shrivels the minds of so many on this most blessed of days.
The Eagles and Ospreys are searching the Flathead river for fish for the new hatchings to be and life is good in this moment.

For all the new ones just born into this world,it is a very real time to witness the miracle of that of which we are given so much,and slobber on it.Sorry guys the words just fall off the fingers.

Peace to all of us this day, may yours be filled with the miracle also,and goodness keep you safe.

aho
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At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Montana Freeman, for the reminder of how special this council is and for the blessing on all of its members. I know that several of us regulars have been preoccupied. Nice to hear that ras has a little break in classwork to tap in for a moment. I know that Rockpicker has been busy making an excellent huge chimney, and Belgium has been working, and Cyclone has been sick when he hasn't been traveling and working, Stoney and Palooka are busy as well. But, I continue to hold you all close to my heart, as well as Reality, Sean, Fred, Carolyn, Uncunga(sp?), Lilac, Matt, and the others who have graced this council.
We seem to be having a bit of difficulty getting new posts up, but I hope it doesn't impair the ability of folks to continue to give up updates and personal perceptions. I find myself caring more about ras's hawks and Montana's crickets, and my goofy chickens as much as the falling dollar or the psychotic administration. And, Cyclone, if you are looking in, I sure wish you'd give us a word or two just to let us know that you are still with us. Personally, I feel closer to this cyber-family than I have to my actual relatives, in many ways.
I put you all on my alter and burn candles and sage in honor of you.
aho

 
At 11:18 AM, Blogger stoney13 said...

testing

 
At 12:13 PM, Blogger stoney13 said...

testing

 
At 7:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

testing

 
At 8:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Folks,

There seems to be a problem with the blog spot that I can't fix. Cy has to take care of it and I can't reach him. Right now, I can't put up a new post.

 
At 7:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fear of Death: the fear that what is here, what I am (or perceive to be), will end, stop, cease to exist. That is, everything I have invested into the effort of living this life and my connections to all that around me will evaporate into nothing. This is a stab at the thing. I would have to spend some serious contemplation time on this, but I am actually trying to point at something else. For many years, I have held the belief that I am not so afraid of death itself, but rather the process of getting there: the pain and agony and all that surrounds the process of dying. This may be true for me and it may not. The idea is that I’m wanting to avoid the uncomfortable. In psychology, it is said that humans are emotionally avoidant. It’s worth being careful about psychologists here for reasons I don’t want to get into, but the idea does ring a bell. If you look around at our lifestyle, it doesn’t take much to see that a great deal of effort is expended on sustaining and amplifying our comfort, particularly on the material plane. It certainly makes sense on some level that to seek and maintain comfort makes life mo’ betta. The term “creature comforts” comes to mind here. “If some is good, more is better.” “I want what I want, and I want it now!” Then throw in advertising and all the programming of a lifetime of living in this culture going about our everyday efforts of living. The stuff gets into our heads, whether we like it or not. It also makes sense that we avoid discomfort whenever possible. Who wouldn’t? Perhaps I am simplifying the issue here, and I have to leave for work soon (to sustain my comfort sustaining capacity), but the issue of sheeple that Murph brought up needs the above idea thrown into the mix. Just because we’re busy is not the reason we don’t investigate the issues. We’re busy for a reason. That being, to keep our minds occupied with what we perceive to be comfortable, or at least predictable and familiar. We’re literally programmed for it from infanthood by the culture. It has become one of the driving forces of our lives.
I used to live in a house. Now, and for the last six plus years, I live in a travel trailer. It wasn’t easy adjusting away from what I was used to after fifty years of life. I found that I what I really missed was my reading chair. All the other stuff I had around me seemed to fade over time. Granted, I still have my computer and my pots and pans to enjoy my cooking, but the garage/workshop with all the tools I gathered over years, the living room and furniture, the double bed, the average sized bathroom, the average sized kitchen, the front porch, the bureau of clothes, and on and on and on are no more. And I don’t get any more depressed in this current lifestyle than I did in the previous one. My point being, it isn’t the stuff around me that makes life worth living. I can’t say I am more happy than I was, but I can’t say I am less either. I have gone against the grain of society in changing my lifestyle. Many of my friends and acquaintances consider me at least “different” if not weird. More, many of them have expressed resistance of some kind to my efforts. It would be pointless to do a scientific investigation of my situation: people don’t want to hear any of that. They want their reality to be true and will try to maintain it before they take it apart and evaluate it. This is denial. We deny to avoid discomfort. At times at enormous cost, and I don’t mean dollar cost. So we stay busily occupied with jobs and our ubiquitous to-do lists. It’s true that contemplation takes effort and time, but think of all the effort and time we invest to avoid contemplation.
A lot of people avoid the news because it’s just too depressing. They catch the headlines if they can, but avoid the details. This tells me people also avoid feelings that generate discomfort. And this is ubiquitous in the culture. It’s all around and in us to such and extent that it appears normal. Hence, I appear in my lifestyle at least “different.” Here in America we have focused it on material distractions to the nth degree. And I’m there even in my different style.
The other idea that was mentioned in the posts is that of our complicity in the arrangement of our cultural life. I think the above speaks to this also. We are all complicit in the mess and there is no denying it, although many will do their best to deny whatever they can. The shit will hit the fan and those wearing blinders will be broadsided with reality. Or it won’t hit the fan and they will continue in their vein. There really is nothing to do about this. Wake up or don’t wake up; the choice is up to each of us.

 

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